Michael Shaw visits the studio of painter Rebecca Morris and interviews her about her work.

Morris reads from her Abstract Manifesto and recalls what prompted her write a manifesto about abstract painting: "when I came out of school in the 90s, abstraction wasn't very in… that wasn't the sort of gallery style at the moment… people thought I was making these ironic paintings, making fun of abstraction, and I was so puzzled by this reaction… but the paintings were really serious and they weren't spoofs of abstraction and the only real solution to that dilemma was, well, I'm just going to keep making my work and people will figure out it's not a joke…"

Morris' interview begins 1:40 into the podcast.